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Is Single-Payer Health Care Inevitable In America?

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On the most recent episode of Hostile Progressives Jimmy Dore, Graham Elwood and also Steve Oh discuss whether the USA will ever have universal healthcare protection. Watch the complete Hostile Progressives episode below:

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Steve Oh and also Graham Elwood join Jimmy Dore for this week's episode of Hostile Progressives. Jimmy, Steve and Graham go over Syria, Gorsuch and also single-payer healthcare.

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  1. Posted by some body, at Reply

    LMFAO! When all the baby boomers die.

    • Posted by Dragon1717, at Reply

      But then the young of today will get old and become the baby boomers

    • Posted by Sean Ryan, at Reply

      Dragon1717 baby boomers are unique in many ways, none of which are beneficial to this country. when they die, we’ll all be better off.

    • Posted by Re23pect The Don, at Reply

      Sean Ryan

      They’re the reason we may not have a retirement plan because they take all the social security benefits

  2. Posted by Left Economist, at Reply

    Single-Payer would save the US trillions in dollars. In Australia here we pay $3,500 per capita on healthcare in the US its more like $8,500 per capita. Because your system is owned by corporations that profit massively from essential goods that people require to live..

    • Posted by Morality Check, at Reply

      Left Economist Or America is a lot wealthier than little Australia…

    • Posted by philsag, at Reply

      Morality Check depends on how you measure wealth. But what does that have to do with anything?

    • Posted by Sean Ryan, at Reply

      Morality Check more meaningless verbal diarrhea from the clueless trumpanzee.

  3. Posted by rollingcan, at Reply

    Health is the most important thing.

    • Posted by Morality Check, at Reply

      rollingcan So make sure you have health insurance, it’s your business to acquire it.

    • Posted by rollingcan, at Reply

      Most can’t afford it. That’s is the problem.

    • Posted by Morality Check, at Reply

      +rollingcan Why is that? Maybe they earn 900 a week but need 1000 to cover everything right? Well part of being an adult is budgeting, maybe the person didn’t need to go out, maybe they could work more hours, instead of a car, find different modes of transportation. It’s the person’s job…

    • Posted by rollingcan, at Reply

      No it’s just because they charge too much.

    • Posted by Sean Ryan, at Reply

      Morality Check is that you, Jason chaffetz?

  4. Posted by Coy Hampton, at Reply

    Maybe Trump will actually do something right. Maybe, but I’m not holding my breath.

    • Posted by Robert Vysther, at Reply

      If he would go that route with the Single Payer Healthcare, his popularity would hit the roof.

  5. Posted by LivingIsEasyWithEyesClosed, at Reply

    Every day America moves slightly more towards the left. This is true because everyday elderly people die and teenagers turn 18. The young slowly replace the old and therefore the left replaces the right.

    • Posted by Sean Ryan, at Reply

      +Dragon1717 the young of today have experienced an upbringing very different from that of the baby boomers looting and pillaging the country.

    • Posted by LivingIsEasyWithEyesClosed, at Reply

      Sean Ryan – Exactly.

  6. Posted by Malachi Owens, at Reply

    Well with Justice Democrats we got 12 more democrats to sign on.

    • Posted by Omair Sheikh, at Reply

      Progressives that get things done 😉

  7. Posted by GOLDENEYE 1124, at Reply

    I’m republican and I want single payer.

    • Posted by John-Paul Hunt, at Reply

      Look at future data relating to French elections and Italy with the Euro. If France leaves the EU the dollar will be affected. The Fed owns and controls a lot of things now with the debt bubble and banking deregulations with prices on housing going up and jobs going overseas still and being not there with stores closing on MSN.com’s financial news section. The system is dying.

    • Posted by Seljuk Cuck, at Reply

      French elections? Like the one LePen is going to lose? France is extremely unlikely to leave the EU in the near future. Brexit was extremely narrow and France is far more heavily integrated with the rest of Europe than the UK was (the UK never dropped its currency, for instance).

      “Debt bubble” is going to have to be a bit more specific, as the threat posed by a debt bubble depends heavily on the industry in question.

      There hasn’t been much in the way of deregulation so far; all I’ve heard about was that the fiduciary rule might be rolled back. Nothing has been repealed that relates to banks’ leverage, which is what impacts the consequences of a bubble bursting.

      Housing prices are going up, but that’s not necessarily happening for the same reasons that drove it up pre-recession.

      Jobs have been going overseas for decades and the only consequence of that is some unemployment, which is temporary if the workers who lost their jobs retrain and move to a different field.

      If, by “stores closing,” you’re talking about retail, that’s a natural consequence of online retail – mainly Amazon – taking over.

      None of this suggests that any system is dying. There are major problems, but those are largely sociological in nature and a matter of cultural and ideological polarization.

    • Posted by Re23pect The Don, at Reply

      GOLDENEYE 1124

      Same here

  8. Posted by Martha Marx, at Reply

    I actually had a go fund me for my surgery. I didn’t raise enough money and I can’t get Medicaid thanks to Rick Scott. I’m unable to work in my condition. The doctors from the hospitals only treat what’s urgent at the time and then tell me without the surgery, I will die. I have been bleeding internally to the point that I require frequent transfusions now. A simple surgery would fix this but I cannot find a doctor who will do it without either insurance or cash upfront. Btw, I’m only 47. Our county did this to me. Many other Americans have died already from preventable causes. I fear I will join them. People, fight for your medical rights. It could be you, your mother, your child .. This isn’t right.

    • Posted by Martha Marx, at Reply

      Sam Meera It started out as simple fibroids with heavy bleeding. However the daily ibuprofen use has caused a peptic ulcer and other gi bleeding problems. A hysterectomy and medication for the ulcer would fix what’s wrong with me. Fibroids aren’t considered life-threatening. The side effects of being unable to have them properly treated are. The blood loss between the fibroids and the gi have caused me to need 5 transfusions since last August and a mild cardiac infarction on Martin Luther King day this year when my hemoglobin count dropped to 3. I have no history of heart problems prior to this. The doctor said it was due to the blood loss. I will either just bleed out or have another heart attack. It’s just a matter of time.

    • Posted by ElectroLyte, at Reply

      Maybe if you went to prison they would give you the surgery. I read about someone who committed a crime in order to get a surgery and stay alive.

    • Posted by Martha Marx, at Reply

      ElectroLyte I’ve heard that too. I wouldn’t even know what to do. Plus sometimes they just let you die on the cell floor. It shouldn’t have to come to that.

    • Posted by Zack Sherman, at Reply

      ElectroLyte that is sad when prisoners have better healthcare than private citizens. this is how it goes in red States though. they expect you to boot strap it.

  9. Posted by Steve Martin, at Reply

    My dad had 300k savings and insurance before his cancer diagnosis and still went bankrupt. Republicans are waking up. The new litmus test for elections.

    • Posted by John-Paul Hunt, at Reply

      Look my dad has has stints put in as he had a heart attack and the medical bills were astronomical too as in millions of dollars. Why do you think Alan Grayson said “Die Quickly”? Everyone knows the fiat based money system is dying now! Trump wants to have it go on. It can’t. He’s accelerated it now to a death in 2017.

    • Posted by Listenbuddy1, at Reply

      +John-Paul Hunt 0bama was the original “die quickly” guy. Remember the NuttyCare rally when the girl asked if her elderly grandmother who still had a zest for life would get coverage for an expensive heart condition. Barry shocked her when he said society would be better served if Granny took “pain pills” instead. Liberalism is a lie.

    • Posted by Listenbuddy1, at Reply

      Sean Ryan you have no use.

  10. Posted by Jimothy 99, at Reply

    kinda sad thats its 2017 and its only now that the American public is realising that healthcare is a right. In the UK we worked that out in the 1940’s!

    • Posted by Paul Swanee, at Reply

      +Seljuk Cuck The more funding you give to one part of society the less funding you give to another part. There are always costs for every action

    • Posted by Jimothy 99, at Reply

      Paul Swanee America pays the more for its healthcare than the rest of the world, so a new system could save money. Any additional costs can be offset by cutting the bloated defense budget or reversing the tax cuts for the rich.

    • Posted by Seljuk Cuck, at Reply

      +Paul Swanee That’s true, but I fail to see your point. That doesn’t mean resources can’t be allocated in a better way than they otherwise would be.

    • Posted by Seljuk Cuck, at Reply

      +Jimothy 99 We pay more per-capita, true. That doesn’t mean that single payer would necessarily save money, especially when that’s effectively what Medicare is and Medicare alone costs close to what many countries’ entire healthcare systems cost. The US is fundamentally different from the European countries that progressives like to compare it to, so it’s not unlikely that a single-payer system would be more costly than it is in other countries. I also think you underestimate the cost of a nationwide single-payer system; if we assume no change in spending as a percentage of GDP and simply have the private spending replaced by government spending, that’s an annual cost of $1.47 *Trillion.* Even if the 8.8% of our spending that’s private were somehow cut in half when absorbed by the public sector, that’s an extra $738 Billion, which is more than the *entire* defense budget. Taxes are already high on the rich and any increase is going to slow the economy, so that’s not really a solution either.

    • Posted by Paul Swanee, at Reply

      +Jimothy 99 “America pays the more for its healthcare than the rest of the world, so a new system could save money” this statement is probable, but until you show me evidence of the new system you can substantiate it. Speaking of systems that are incredibly expensive and ineffective, we could instead take the funding from Social Security otherwise known as the worst investment in the world, which actually costs more than twice as much as the US military budget.

  11. Posted by Phil, at Reply

    If Trump institutes single payer it will mean death for the Democratic Party. Republicans can run on that victory for the next 40 years…

    • Posted by William Hunter, at Reply

      Phil, I’ve been thinking the same thing. Do you think that the Republicans are smart enough to realize that? Or, do you think their greed will get the best of them and they will pass? It will be interesting see how this unfolds. My father was a Republican and a physician and staunchly against single payer (I use that terminology to avoid using the “S” word). He was forever giving away his services to those who could not afford to pay. He practiced medicine for the love of medicine. Here’s the thing, if we had had single payer, he would have gotten paid for all that pro bono work. I think physicians are getting onboard with this idea as they begin to study it. Seems I’ve heard the AMA and the Hospitals are beginning to get on board.

    • Posted by Phil, at Reply

      William, from what I’ve read, the doctors say it’s a nightmare dealing with the insurance companies for payment. It seems like they would all be on board for single payer.

    • Posted by William Hunter, at Reply

      Phil, That’s what I hear too, and while I’m not a medical professional I’ve been around them, family members, all my life. My wife is an RN. She spends way too much of her efforts on researching Medicare and Medicaid rules and insurance rules. That time could better be spent on patient care. It’s sad to say, but I sure hope the Republicans don’t figure this out before we, the progressives, can get it implemented.

    • Posted by Phil, at Reply

      I’m sure Republicans know, but they don’t care. They are getting $$$ just like the insurance companies. Only way it happens is if Trump himself comes out and makes it happen. There is a bill in the house, H.R. 676. All Trump has to do is come out publicly in favor.

  12. Posted by Omair Sheikh, at Reply

    Over 80% of Democratic voters support single payer, yet “leaders” in the party aren’t getting on board.

    Hmm, I just can’t figure out why the dem party keeps losing.

    • Posted by Don Tyrump, at Reply

      Leaders in the Democratic party might be very afraid the huge insurance companies will go to war against them.

    • Posted by Omair Sheikh, at Reply

      They should also be afraid that voters won’t come out in numbers because the dem party isn’t pushing for popular policies. But of course the dem party will just scare their voters with anti-Trump rhetoric and hope that that alone will get them the votes

  13. Posted by RandomRobin, at Reply

    The corporations and top political donors will fight back as hard as they can.

    • Posted by Omair Sheikh, at Reply

      They will threaten to stop funding politicians that support single payer, but soon the conundrum will be that voters will beat the insurance companies to that if the politicians don’t get on board with single payer.

    • Posted by georgemiser, at Reply

      Fight harder than them then.

  14. Posted by Jiggle Diggle, at Reply

    my father was a physician specialized in hip and knee surgery and has been working in europe as well as the states over his long career. he always talked about how extremely imbalanced the cost to service ratio in america seemed to him and was under the impression that this is “a true money grabbing business” in the states.

    he claimed that every little thing (merely glancing at a patient from over the desk basically) is fined absurdely high in comparison to european standards. the service provided did not justify the bills basically.

    so i think before trying to change the system or question who has to pay what the american health care system should check whether or not the services provided and their according price tags aren’t just generally overpriced as hell (spoiler: yes, they are).

    • Posted by K Paz, at Reply

      Jiggle Diggle it’s totally true. One night in the hospital can cost you up to $1000, or a couple of hundred with insurance coverage. If you have an emergency and need an ambulance, that’s another $1000.

  15. Posted by Wendell Wright, at Reply

    If Trump tries to implement a Medicare for all system, and is successful, that will be embarrassing for the Democrats including Obama. Shame on all of them if the right-wing beats them to it, as crazy as that sounds too.

    • Posted by Apeiro Kalia, at Reply

      Wendell Wright I am actually worried the right wing will beat the dems to it. Especially if they give the management of it to a private company. the taxpayer pays extra but doesn’t feel the weight of it, a private companues cash in yet again from the govt. and the repubs win over the american people… which is kind of frightening even if…

    • Posted by Shadowman4710, at Reply

      A fair point but it’s highly unlikely since the Republicans would lose their donor base. This of course is why the Democrats won’t do it. They’d never lose another election but they’d lose the wall street money.

  16. Posted by St Gray, at Reply

    Speaking as a British guy, who’s had his healthcare provided by the NHS since birth and is very happy to continue paying his taxes for that to continue to be the case, I always find it somewhat mystifying why Americans are still even having this conversation.

    • Posted by Sun Storm, at Reply

      @hevblade — That’s not how healthcare is dispensed. It’s SINGLE PAYER, not single provider. You go to the doctor, the government pays. Just like in every economically advanced nation on earth.

    • Posted by Sean Ryan, at Reply

      Shadowman4710 sounds about right. white american conservatives are more than willing to sacrifice themselves for a higher cause, namely conservatism. there are trump supporters who would be very negatively impacted by his budget and policies, but every single one would gladly vote for him again. it’s insane.

    • Posted by hevblade, at Reply

      +Sun Storm Hospitals in the UK are all government run. Doctors are Government employees. Single Payer doesn’t work unless you control both ends of it.

    • Posted by Sun Storm, at Reply

      @hevblade — Well we should have a system like Canada’s (govt pays, private practices provide). …Or even the UK’s for that matter. Free of the parasites (the health insurance industry)… And without the *dependency* of having to work at a corporation for coverage… Lifetime employment is a thing of the past. McJobs and/or independent contract work are the future…So why should our healthcare coverage remain tethered to employment?

    • Posted by hevblade, at Reply

      +Sun Storm I agree! The system we have now is terrible and needs reforming. We spend 17% of our GDP and still not everyone is insured. No other rich country spends more than 12% to insure everyone. Its terribly inefficient. But there would be problems with only having government insurance, one of which is it does nothing to actually control the costs of the healthcare itself. Also the US government doesn’t do well when it runs with no competition; if you let the government take total control of healthcare it will become like the DMV. I think a better solution would be a public option, where everyone is guaranteed coverage if they want it. The public option would be like the post office, taxpayer funded. Poor people may have to wait on lines, but at least they get what they need. If you have the money to spend on private insurance though, nothing changes for you. The public option would compete with the private companies to drive down costs.

  17. Posted by Chris Harvey, at Reply

    I worked in Canada for 4years. It is too simple and people are much healthier because there is not stress related to the worries of having the money to be healthy. The owners of Healthcare and Pharmaceutical stock should be in prison for making money on harming their fellow citizens.

    • Posted by Teal'c, at Reply

      Indeed. I wish that when the day comes that we pass single payer, perhaps your healthcare admin experts can come and help us get things running the right way, the human way, the real christian way that canadians and all other 1st world countries have had all along.

  18. Posted by Dear Leader, at Reply

    I live in a country that has single payer universal healthcare and I can’t imagine living any other way.

    It is tremendously comforting to know that should one of my children get sick, the only thing that I have to worry about is them getting better, rather than how am I going to pay for it.

    • Posted by Fried Bullet, at Reply

      With many people in America, they don’t mind paying an insurance company exorbitant fees to cover another person’s medical expenses. But if you mention having them pay more taxes to the government to do the same thing, they cry foul. It’s not about paying for someone else. It’s about their unwarranted hatred and fear of anything government. They’ve been indoctrinated to think that way.

  19. Posted by Shlamie Mk4, at Reply

    I remember when my high school Math teacher came back from holiday in the States (this was in Scotland) and told us about her experience in seeing an American doctor. Almost in unison, the class let out a great horrified gasp when she told us that the first question the receptionist asked her was “how will you be paying for this treatment”. We find the idea totally shocking over here.

    • Posted by Teal'c, at Reply

      Dragon1717- We all know that its still paid for. When we say “free healthcare” it actually means no one has to worry about paying for it on a day to day bases. Its taken from one large pool just like how when you need a fireman or police officers help you dont have to pay a bill for them to catch the robber or put a fire out. Its treated as a basic right, rather than a damn commodity for a middle man insurance company to monopolize on and take advantage of. We cut the damn middle man out and save “bigly”.

    • Posted by Shlamie Mk4, at Reply

      You can have “big government” or you can let corporations rule over you. I say nationalise everything. Then democracy would actually mean something.

    • Posted by Monster Mandy, at Reply

      Ya it’s bad. I’ve been to doctors offices that refuse to let you into an appointment without paying the co pay first.

    • Posted by Jon Harvey, at Reply

      Shlamie Mk4 It’s Mental, innit? How much some of them hate the idea of single payer. Thank f**k for the NHS!