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Filmmaker James Cameron states Marvel Lady is a go back for women. Brett Erlich, Poise Baldridge, and Amberia Allen, the hosts of The Young Turks, tell you exactly how Supervisor Patty Jenkins responded. Tell us what you think in the remark section below.

" James Cameron, the filmmaker and supervisor of Titanic and also The Terminator that's now endangering the globe with the promise of four even more Avatar flicks, believed and ostensibly said aloud that Warner Bros.' breakaway superhero hit Wonder Woman is "a step in reverse" in its portrayal of females.

Wonder Woman director Patty Jenkins isn't having it.

" James Cameron's failure to recognize exactly what Marvel Woman is, or stands for, to women throughout the globe is unsurprising as, though he is a great filmmaker, he is not a woman," Jenkins created on Twitter post late Thursday night." [I] f females need to always be hard, tough, and also bothered to be strong, and also we aren't complimentary to be multidimensional or celebrate a symbol of females everywhere due to the fact that she is attractive and caring, after that we have not come very far have we."

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  1. Posted by Hal Jordan, at Reply

    Wonder Woman is the daughter of Zeus. Of course she’s gorgeous and fit. James Cameron is an idiot.

    • Posted by Edward Bernayse666, at Reply

      @jonathan xavier so what if WW is eye candy. superman is eye candy for the ladies too.

    • Posted by Edward Bernayse666, at Reply

      @ruzgar kamil even the geniuses in hollywood are hit and miss with their movies. i don’t think that cameron knows what he’s talking about on this one.

    • Posted by Rüzgar Kamil, at Reply

      edward, my comment is about some nobody calling the director of the judgement day ‘an idiot’

  2. Posted by A1Cvenom, at Reply

    I will say Sarah Conner and Ripley from aliens were infinitely better female role models. Also far more realistic and gritty.

    • Posted by Edward Bernayse666, at Reply

      they weren’t superheros with superhero powers and so they seem more realistic as role models for girls.

    • Posted by Edward Bernayse666, at Reply

      @ohdogwow2 i think that cameron should rewatch “monster.” that movie was the worst feminazi man hating movie that i ever saw. it literally made a female serial killer look like a sympathetic figure and made it sound like it was all the men who abused her in the past’s fault that she became a serial killer and so we should sympathize with her instead of see her as a sick psychopath. even the actual eilaine wouros hated the movie because of that reason and really ripped the movie apart in an interview from prison.

  3. Posted by TheEpicGameHub, at Reply

    James Cameron is right. Wonder Woman would’ve been nothing without the actress. Let’s be honest, it is a step backwards when the only reason for the movie being a success was the female body. They should’ve at least introduced a little bit of intelligence or mystery in the movie instead of showing the naked parts of her body every few minutes. It’s actually really embarrassing for anyone to give Wonder Woman as an example of a great movie with a female lead.

    • Posted by roxanneworld11, at Reply

      TheEpicGameHub *and* you prove my point, since you are seeing her, clearly first, at least, as a *”sex icon.”* because of *your* limitations..because for males like you, female skin can only illicit thoughts of sex..the female body was not designed for *men* to own and to see in only one way… just, *unbelievable!* you think it’s all about how *you,* as a male, see things, that’s all its about…just…wow.

    • Posted by TheEpicGameHub, at Reply

      roxanneworld11 nothing you say makes any sense, literally. Are you saying people should close their eyes every few minutes to ignore the camera shots pointing at the exposed body parts of the actress in order to not think of the obvious? Those shots are literally the selling point of the movie… How else would they portray her as a sex icon? Why else would they select someone of such beauty? The movie is full of feminism, hence cancer. Have you also ignored the fact that her world is full of women (because men are bad, evil, etc.) and eventually she learns to see men as equal? Now imagine the exact movie with the opposite gender so you can stop being blind and see it for what it is. As for Patty Jenkins, most of the stuff she has been involved in has a cast mainly of females and you expect her to give a centred opinion? She is as biased as they come. Be more open minded. There are far better movies of females. Wonder Woman is nothing but a cheap attempt at glorifying women, but fails to do so miserably. Just so you know, they cast a beautiful actress mainly because it was and still is difficult to predict the box office result for a female superhero movie because if all else fails, the average person would appreciate the movie because of her being a sex symbol. Truth is, on no planet would you get the same results by casting a moderate looking female, especially one with such a low profile compared to the many other far more popular actresses.

    • Posted by jesus barrera, at Reply

      +roxanneworld11 uhhh most of it is tho

      even women accentuate their own bodies to attract male attention

      it’s biological that men are more physical towards attraction than women

    • Posted by Edward Bernayse666, at Reply

      it’s a superhero movie. they are just following the same kind of idea that they do for the male superheros. if you take all of that away from wonder woman then you don’t have wonder woman anymore.

    • Posted by TheEpicGameHub, at Reply

      That’s exactly what James Cameron is trying to tell the absolute fools who actually believe Wonder Woman glorifies females in any way whatsoever. He gave an example of the kind of characters that actually represent woman far better than the sex icon in Wonder Woman. And, anyone who actually believes Wonder Woman glorifies females in any way is literally saying that one of the best way to glorify/celebrate/inspire females is through an almost fully naked female superhero… which is literally a step backwards. One of the many negative messages that females should have the capability of understanding is that Wonder Woman tells them they’ll most likely never amount to anything because they aren’t beautiful enough, which is quite sad. I’m not a female but i think an average actress in a more meaningful movie would represent females far better than the junk directed by one of the most feminist directors in Hollywood. Patty Jenkins is nothing but cancer. Have a look at her massive collection of almost females-only cast movies. James Cameron has done females far more than any cancerous witch (Patty Jenkins) could ever do in her entire cancerous/divisive life.

  4. Posted by mattk02, at Reply

    ok James Cameron, what about True Lies and Titanic… did the women in those movies earned their respect through pure grit too?

    • Posted by Seth Stone, at Reply

      huh? Well Titanic is a very different movie. It does not count. As for True Lies. Yeah. She kind of did. It definitly fits and doesnt disprove his point though. I dont think either of those examples show a hypocritical skew to his point at all. The only thing that does go against his point though are things he produced but didnt direct. Dark angel and Terminator 3. Both IP’s feature female characters that are blatantly sexualized.

    • Posted by mattk02, at Reply

      From the films I mentioned both Jamie Lee Curtis and Kate Winslet might appear to be strong, but in True Lies Curtis was blackmailed into doing all sorts of stuff, including that awkward and drawn out striptease she does. By the end she was a strong woman and all but what I got was that Cameron thought sex sells so he put it in. And I was a kid when I begrudgingly went to see Titanic with my family, I was pleasantly surprised to see my hormones get jump started that day (my family also did not expect to see a long scene with Winslet’s tatas in a PG movie). So all I’m saying is that Cameron has put random/awkward/clunky sexual content in his movies, so saying that WW is a step backwards because it objectified the character and won’t earn the audience’s respect is kinda misguided.

    • Posted by Seth Stone, at Reply

      But he wasnt talking about the movie. He was talking about Wonder woman as a character in general. In that she was created as a character for the benefit of the so called “male gaze”. So he thinks making a movie about her and pretending it’s a step forward in feminism is ridiculous. Btw, I DO NOT agree with what he said. Im just repeating it. Although I do agree that it is a bit ridiculous to tie up the movie in gender politics at all.

    • Posted by Melody Clark, at Reply

      Rose is a strong character. She’s beautiful and at times sexy. Does he not like her?

    • Posted by mattk02, at Reply

      Oh i see, didn’t really understand the context from which he was speaking before I commented. But his statement still doesn’t jive with me… oh well, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

  5. Posted by Adam Spencer, at Reply

    So why can’t a woman be sexual attractive and strong?

    • Posted by Adam Spencer, at Reply

      Andrew Devine nothing wrong with answering yes. Female mma fighters is a great example.

    • Posted by Andrew Devine, at Reply

      Adam Spencer Most of them are not attractive. Too much testosterone, or something.

    • Posted by Adam Spencer, at Reply

      Andrew Devine well if you find masculinity attractive that fine too. However that doesn’t change my opinion

    • Posted by JuanJose247, at Reply

      Adam Spencer It’s possible, not common, but possible!

      Name one, I’m not being a jerk, I can’t name any!

      I can name either or, but not both off the top of my head.

  6. Posted by R P, at Reply

    Ah, I was agreeing 100% till the lady said that her favourite part of the movie is where there are no men. Feminazi spotted.

    • Posted by uutuber431, at Reply

      all men should die

    • Posted by krono fogden, at Reply

      uutuber431 wo-man

    • Posted by jxsilicon9, at Reply

      uutuber431
      Women would also die.

  7. Posted by Kit-Kat-Kay, at Reply

    Wonder Woman was created by DC to be a female figure such as Rosie the Riveter, as propaganda to help in the war effort. This was not a cry for women all across the world that they’re strong, independent women. It was a manipulative, marketing tactic, especially with Wonder Woman, being a patriotic symbol for the US, to motivate women to help contribute to the war. After the war, what happened? Women were driven back to domesticity, feeling disenfranchised, with a plethora of articles and books celebrating the virtues of motherhood and the domestic life. Why? Because the government clearly didn’t believe in the strong, female, empowerment scheme they promoted, they needed the women of America to believe that, so they could aid them in the war. Wonder Woman didn’t start off as a completely feminist icon, as she really was a pawn in the marketing campaign, BUT from then on, Wonder Woman’s significance and impact on the feminist movement HAS changed and altered.

    • Posted by Ungoogleable o_O, at Reply

      At least with WWII there was a dip but even after the war there was a clear trend towards women in the workforce, from 28% in 1940 to 34% in 1948.

    • Posted by Max, at Reply

      DC did NOT create WW, DC went to Dr. William Moulton Marston of Harvard and asked him since he did studies on what women liked if he knew what would make girls start to buy comics. He took 1 look at his live-in mistress who had to wear bracelets ( among other things and acts) and the rest is history. Please don’t tell a comic book collector what you think you know about comics, you better stick to “google.”

    • Posted by TheEverythingGeek aka Hawk Flame, at Reply

      Max DC came to him about creating a superhero, true. But it was his wife that suggested making her a woman.

    • Posted by jxsilicon9, at Reply

      Max
      LOL! One look at his live in mistress.

  8. Posted by Karissa Best, at Reply

    I’ve unsubscribed. Wonder woman was clearly a stupid and demeaning presentation of women.
    She’s not even wearing armour going to war! Absolutely ridiculous.

    • Posted by JuanJose247, at Reply

      Ungoogleable o_O
      Magic has been known to keep your breasts in while you flip all over!

      Her outfit is impractical, there’s no way around it!

    • Posted by Plutot Crever, at Reply

      Superman isn’t wearing any armour either, by the way. Underwears only.
      You can see WW as the female Thor, in a sense. She’s better than Thor, in fact.
      She’s a Goddess seeking justice, truth and honor. And values courage, strength and skills aquired through extensive training. Some comics had her in armor plates, btw.

    • Posted by Karissa Best, at Reply

      Plutot Crever I said I hate the movie anyway. Not the comic.

  9. Posted by Aidan Campbell, at Reply

    As a guy, I want more strong women in leading roles.

    • Posted by Jordan Wheeler, at Reply

      Yep, People today will be bitching to much 🙂

  10. Posted by rasnac, at Reply

    James Cameron is a moron.

    • Posted by Jordan Wheeler, at Reply

      lol?

  11. Posted by tahna dana, at Reply

    i think James view is more about DC being a blatantly right wing media (it is) doing their propaganda, and wonder woman needs too succeed because the movie is nothing but a statement, “an ex-israeli soldier, wrapped by the stars and stripes”? and the actress choose to not be neutral as a public figure. isnt it convenient that out of all the DCEU movies that this one doesnt suck so much?? so what his saying is that the movie is a false feminist flag

    • Posted by tahna dana, at Reply

      the success is real (backed by better writings maybe and how horrible the previous movies were also helped), the media praising it to be bigger than it is is not, because it needs to hit a home run

    • Posted by Max, at Reply

      There is NO such thing as a EX-Israeli solder. After their 2 years of active duty, EVERYONE is reserves until they are too old to pick up their weapon.

    • Posted by tahna dana, at Reply

      see, not a conspiracy after all

    • Posted by Ungoogleable o_O, at Reply

      +tahna dana
      So you are saying that the previous movies were made bad on purpose as part of the conspiracy?

    • Posted by Jim Gorb, at Reply

      It is propaganda.
      The reaction of the true alt right, the evil trolls is actually that which is damaging. Post truth shaped this new era. And if truth (He) can be bought… she may not be true. Wonder woman i mean. Yes, of course.

  12. Posted by Ginger Weatherbee, at Reply

    if the only thing that Cameron sees in Wonder Woman is a beauty icon.. then he doesn’t understand the character that Marston created 75 years ago

    • Posted by Buddy Van Cigrit, at Reply

      Yeah but he’s kinda judging the character portrayed in 2017, not the character created 75 years ago. Maybe there are things you’re not understanding as well.

    • Posted by JuanJose247, at Reply

      Ginger Weatherbee Yes a character created when you could freely grab them by the muff was so much better!

      She was never meant to be what she’s become today, that’s where the problem lies.

      It’s like turning a prostitute into a… wait, Pretty Woman!

      It’s like a celebrity becoming the presid…, wait no that happened!

      If the character had stayed true to her roots, she’d still be a secretary, Steve might have married her only later to divorce her because he couldn’t beat her in a drunken rage when he lost his job.

      She wouldn’t have joined the Justice League because she has to be home when her unappreciative kids get there.

    • Posted by Ginger Weatherbee, at Reply

      if anybody tried that on Diana.. they’d need an ambulance. Marston created her to be strong, to show what he knew women were capable of becoming.. same reason Lois Lane exists & had the career she had in a male dominated field.

      maybe i don’t understand Cameron’s thoughts on Wonder Woman.. i don’t understand why he only sees one thing in Diana when there are multiple things about her that have made her what she is. it’s not booty & boob shots imho

  13. Posted by Salem Starkid, at Reply

    But if Wonder Woman was a man nobody would care about the “portrayal of men” or how “damaging it is.”

    • Posted by Buddy Van Cigrit, at Reply

      I would, so there goes your theory.

    • Posted by Jim Gorb, at Reply

      That’s how Trump won.
      Why do you like that crap in the first place?

    • Posted by Joffrey Baratheon, at Reply

      If Wonder Woman was a man, her name would be very strange.

    • Posted by Edward Bernayse666, at Reply

      i agree. the male superheros are cast and written to be eye candy for the females and written in ways that makes their characters more attractive to females. it’s all the same pattern.

  14. Posted by HolographicSweater, at Reply

    If you look back at the original Wonder Woman comics, they are essentially softcore bondage porn. Wonder Woman would be tied/chained up in every issue, and it was the creator’s sexual fantasy that she would escape through her own facility. So really it is a male fetishization of femininity, at least in its origins.

    • Posted by Geneforson, at Reply

      Nail on the head = Your post

    • Posted by Joffrey Baratheon, at Reply

      Wonder Woman has existed since the 1960s, and has moved on from her origins as a BDSM fantasy. It’s silly to compare the 2017 version of her to that. Also because of universe reboots, it’s not even the same Wonder Woman.

    • Posted by thewanderandhiscomp, at Reply

      HolographicSweater actually it was about breaking out, the fetishism is yoir interpretation cuck, another whining MRAMGTOW practising pop psychology

  15. Posted by Buddy Van Cigrit, at Reply

    Why isn’t TYT flying the flag of sexism over the fact that this woman was made to be more physically exposed than her male counterparts ie: Superman, Batman, Spiderman, etc. Certainly having this woman portrayed in such a skimpy uniform is more sexist than James Cameron giving his honest opinion that the character was too pleasant. Take Cameron’s critique and just plug in some male actor instead of wonder woman. Is it still “sexist”? Of course not because it wasn’t sexist to begin with. TYT produces outrage and outrageous news stories out of thin air. I’ve considered myself a “liberal” my whole adult life but with this widespread cancerous victim complex, and false flags of discrimination, i feel is starting to turn me.

    • Posted by ahabthewhaler, at Reply

      These costumes come from an origin of comics idiot

    • Posted by Kevin Montrond, at Reply

      I rather have superman not be in tights but thats how he is in the comics so stop crying about costumes.

    • Posted by Joffrey Baratheon, at Reply

      Because it made sense for the story. Wonder Woman would be dressing in a full suit of spandex. She wears a costume emblematic of the Amazonians, who were traditionally naked in most forms of art.

    • Posted by thewanderandhiscomp, at Reply

      Buddy Van Cigrit another whining cuck, where was the original wolverine costume, no where, stay stupid, the wonder woman costume was fron the original books you imbecile

    • Posted by thewanderandhiscomp, at Reply

      Joffrey Baratheon exactly, later in the comic her outfit changes to reflect the times

  16. Posted by Andrew Flash, at Reply

    I agree with James Cameron but not for the same reasons. I took my daughter to see it and one of the things she said to me was why didn’t she just do that in the beginning. She was referring to a part where the guy died and she realized her full potential. My daughter is right she’s only nine years old. Why should it take a man to make a woman strong. Superman doesn’t get any extra super powers, Batman doesn’t become extra Brave work extra smarter, Wolverine, Deadpool or the Hulk any extra powers or don’t have to realize they’re full potential there are at it. The Wonder Woman movie is the only one where because she feels loved or know about love is becomes more powerful. Why can’t she just be powerful just like everybody else

    • Posted by WMICx, at Reply

      Andrew Flash supermans motivations are Lois & Martha, deadpool spent the whole movie looking for his prostitute girlfriend, hulk had Betty or black widow in avengers to control his emotions & Logan’s motivation was Laura. What are you talking about?

    • Posted by Joffrey Baratheon, at Reply

      Wonder Woman’s whole thing is her connection to humanity though. It’s the only thing that separates her from the rest of the brooding assholes cosplaying as superheroes in the DCEU.

  17. Posted by BL4CK KN1G8T, at Reply

    James Cameron is exactly right.
    Wonder Woman does play to the old stereotypes, she needs from her dress her body, her make up and how she needs a love interest.

    Now compare that to Sarah Connor or Ripley from Aliens

    But feminists are stupid can’t think for themselves and are easily fooled and duped.

    They are not interested in really strong women, they want the pretty girl who all the guys want.

    • Posted by BL4CK KN1G8T, at Reply

      Nexus
      Yes both attractive actresses but that wasn’t relevant to their role.

      A much more multi-dimensional than Wonder Woman.

    • Posted by Edward Bernayse666, at Reply

      wonder woman is a superhero movie. taking all of the attractiveness and attractive qualities for wonder woman would completely ruin the idea. it goes both ways too. why do you think they cast handsome, buff actors to play the male superheros? notice how they write them in ways that a lot of women tend to find “sexy.” they are just following te same pattern that tey’ve always followed with wonder woman except with the gender reversal.

    • Posted by BL4CK KN1G8T, at Reply

      Yeah we know. But Wonder Woman is being held up as a feminist movie when in fact it just uses all the same stereotypes as before.

      Movies such as Terminator 2 and especially Aliens who had a very strong female lead and a character that had depth got no rave reviews from women or feminists.

      Women seem to hold superficial beauty in other women in great esteem.

    • Posted by BL4CK KN1G8T, at Reply

      j marine
      Same old stereotypes, as Cameron said.

    • Posted by BL4CK KN1G8T, at Reply

      thewanderandhiscomp
      Are you on your period?