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Senator Says People With Pre-existing Conditions Deserve To Pay High Premiums

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Republican Senator Ron Johnson informed NBC's Chuck Todd that individuals with pre-existing conditions are like cars that have actually been in accidents. They're harmed items, inning accordance with Johnson, so naturally they should have to pay greater premiums (if they deserve medical insurance coverage in any way.) Ring of Fire's Farron Cousins reviews this. Register for the Ring of Fire for more:

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  1. Posted by anton chigurh, at Reply

    The Republican Senator says those people who are working 60 hours a week are the forgotten ones. He’s right. The Republican Healthcare Bill will forget them and remember the savings it makes for the rich.

    • Posted by jsutty, at Reply

      anton chigurh absolutely correct..too much in the pockets of pharma and insurance companies to possibly turn back now..they want to drain the swamp alright i guess the average citizens are natives to the swamp land

  2. Posted by ducebiggs007, at Reply

    Why is healthcare a privilege rather than a right ? I also would like to hear from anyone who knows for fact they will never get ill or suffer a accident.

    • Posted by abscondam, at Reply

      It’s not a right or a privilege in America. It’s a choice. Well, it was before Obama forced people to get it or face penalties. Health insurance is not that expensive. If you can’t afford it then you need to reevaluate your spending.

  3. Posted by karen salomonsen, at Reply

    I have a genetic condition that was unknown until my late 40’s. So now what.. I get drop kicked because I have the factor 5 gene and my blood likes to throw blood clots. My doctors have told me that I will die from some form of this clotting problem unless something less gets me first. So, I’m not allowed health insurance because of my gene pool.

    • Posted by Andrea Kae, at Reply

      karen salomonsen to be fair if you already had insurance when you got diagnosed your rates would’ve stayed the same. I also have a blood disorder and I have made sure to never not have insurance for that reason. By the way, denying you for a pre-existing condition is currently illegal. So you really can’t complain yet…

    • Posted by karen salomonsen, at Reply

      Andrea Kae I guess my point is that if it doesn’t happen to me it will happen to someone.

    • Posted by Lester Brunt, at Reply

      How is that a pre-existing condition? Wouldn’t that mean anything is a pre-existing condition because it ultimately comes from some sort of gene-expression?

  4. Posted by Robert Newberg, at Reply

    Ron Johnson is a racist idiot..

    • Posted by captain bigballs, at Reply

      Ron Johnson is 100% idiot.

  5. Posted by Cookie Nibz, at Reply

    Ya know senator, being heartless is considered to be pre-existing. Show us the $$$$

    • Posted by MyristicMystic, at Reply

      The sooner they are out of office the sooner we can make this a civilized nation once again!

  6. Posted by Alexander K., at Reply

    Big talk until they need it themselves.

    • Posted by righthandstep5, at Reply

      Alexander K. exactly. it’s pure selfishness.

  7. Posted by samuraipanda851, at Reply

    So my mother, who was diagnosed with diabetes when she was 12, deserves to pay more for healthcare? Something she could never prevent or control? I’d spit in his face.

    • Posted by Brittany Pipoli, at Reply

      If everyone paid what they thought they deserve to pay, society would not work. Capitalism is the best way to allocate resources regardless of what you think you deserve.

    • Posted by Praxis, at Reply

      Brittany Pipoli capitalism doesn’t work in health care, regardless of what you think.

  8. Posted by Jeremy Ellwood, at Reply

    Sorry. Have to disagree even on the smoking issue. Most people who start smoking are early teens or pre-teens due to pressure.

    • Posted by Maxislithium, at Reply

      Jeremy Ellwood I agree, but that’s a minor point. the profit of private corporate intrest is the reason why America even has the TERM pre-existing condition.

      The rest of the developed world has single payer health care.

    • Posted by Ryan Veneziale, at Reply

      Even if they were pressured education systems all across the country have beaten it into their heads about the affects of smoking and its up to them whether they continue or not. The pressure part is to try it so they get addicted and want more but its still their choice even if they are being pressured there are ways to say no. Its not due to pressure its still the choice of the person they know the risks and they take them. They should pay more because they put that harm on their body.

    • Posted by Jay Zylberberg, at Reply

      Ryan Veneziale so if you eat unhealthy or are into extreme sports which carry huge risk we will charge you more as well cuz you’re doing this all willingly next time you have a cheeseburger we’re going to up your rates that’s how it should work ?really ?you sure? Muppet

    • Posted by Ryan Veneziale, at Reply

      Jay Zylberberg i was focusing on the topic of smoking and saying that its a choice not that it is a pressured thing. I agree with your points.

  9. Posted by Pasquale Di Lorenzo, at Reply

    Comparing Auto insurance to Health is so uninformed and ignorant

    • Posted by Gavin Sherlock, at Reply

      I’m sick of this comparison that republicans continue to make, a friend of mine has MS and her medication cost $50,00 a year. When did maintaining a car cost that much annually?

    • Posted by Lester Brunt, at Reply

      You people need to chill and realize comparisons are made to see similarities between things that are different. If auto insurance and health care didn’t have differences they would be the same thing. The point the guy makes is really simple and easy to understand. Insurance is a type of savings, the money they use to cover you is what you pay into it. Just like with car insurance or life insurance or whatever kind of insurance.
      Where do you think the money they use to cover your costs comes from?

    • Posted by Gavin Sherlock, at Reply

      If we were talking about auto insurance I’d be chilled, but seeing as we are talking about the flawed ideology of free market providing the best solutions when it comes to disability or life and death (pretty sure you wouldn’t be chilled) this a hard to swallow. For profit health insurance should not even be involved in peoples health care, the rest of the free world has better solutions that show America to be beholden to health insurance and drug company donors, lastly medical bankruptcy (640,000 a year) only exists in the United States, nowhere else !

  10. Posted by Ray Matthews, at Reply

    Technically, growing old and death is a preexisting condition. In fact, the senator may have a preexistent condition that hasn’t been diagnosed. What if it is diagnosed later? Do they get to charge more?

    • Posted by Lester Brunt, at Reply

      If it isn’t diagnosed how can it be a pre-existing condition?

    • Posted by Ray Matthews, at Reply

      Lester, as far as aging or death goes, your thoughts would have to originate in spinal marrow to not think those were inevitable. Do you know anyone who has not aged or died?

      You appear to be trying to wordsmith and that only works when someone doesn’t understand determinism.

    • Posted by Lester Brunt, at Reply

      You are the one that claimed somebody could have an undiagnosed pre-existing condition.

    • Posted by Ray Matthews, at Reply

      Yes, I am. How many people do you know who claim to be healthy yet find out that they are anything but? Look, the human genome, like every other animal, has a huge variance in the genetic and epigenetic factors that determine their well-being. Do you know how to calculate every possibility of every placement of letters in the dna of each genome? How about the epigenetic factors that affect the way these genes function. How about environmental insult? You are dreaming if you think we have the capabilities to determine pre-hand who is a risk for what disabling disability. Sure we can spot some but is it fair to penalize them but not others.

      In my opinion we should start a “Manhattan” like project to really understand diseases not penalize or deprive someone because our state of knowledge is such that we have identified it. What that amounts is an elimination of part of the species. In other words if we say will you haven’t accumulated enough wealth to have your disease treated, then die or suffer we certainly shouldn’t consider ourselves an intelligent species.

  11. Posted by Guy Goodwin, at Reply

    In more enlightened countries, the healthy and the ill are all in the same national public health care scheme. In Canada there are legitimate complaints about waiting times. But the most frequent complaint is.. wait for it.. the cost of hospital parking.

    • Posted by Mike, at Reply

      I’d take those systems knowing my costs are covered so long as I am paying in, than to be held at highway robbery by insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies because I didn’t choose to have epilepsy.

  12. Posted by tetsubo57, at Reply

    Hey Senator, owning a car is optional, health is not. You fucking moron.

    • Posted by PurushaDesa, at Reply

      tetsubo57
      We’re just cars. And iPhones. They keep comparing humans to disposable machines. They’re fucked in the head.

  13. Posted by tetsubo57, at Reply

    Three words folks: Universal. Single. Payer.

    • Posted by R.I. C.O, at Reply

      tetsubo57 exactly

  14. Posted by Somejerk, at Reply

    pro life until you’re born then they are pro death unless you have money to live.

    • Posted by Katherine, at Reply

      Somejerk until you reach military age! Then you are just perfect.

    • Posted by Somejerk, at Reply

      Katherine well they got me on that one. I was in the Army for 6 years until I got injured then they didn’t need me anymore.

  15. Posted by Aloicious Gaylord, at Reply

    in Australia we’ve had single payer since the 70’s. America is a far wealthier and corrupt country than australia

    • Posted by Katherine, at Reply

      Aloicious Gaylord you guys are hella racist though. All that health insurance can’t treat racism.

    • Posted by Aloicious Gaylord, at Reply

      Katherine, and you’re not? at least we don’t have people dying through lack of access to healthcare. here’s a secret, everyone on the face of the planet is racist to a degree. ps: the Australian minimum wage was raised this week to $18.29, plus late shift and weekend penalty rates

  16. Posted by Veronica Rossi, at Reply

    I think that by making people with preexisting conditions pay higher premiums even though they may be sort of responsible for their illness such as, lung cancer if you smoke, is a slippery slope and we should even go there at all. Why? Because then every person that has an illness whether it’s cancer, autoinmune disease or whatever will be blamed but these companies for the illness they have. I really don’t think that this senator lives a 100% healthy life where he can say that he has done nothing wrong whatsoever if he gets sick. They also forget that they may be healthy now but not in 3, 5 or 10 years an they will become the people with preexisting condition and they will have to pay the higher premiums. The only way to go and to give all of them the same chance is to have UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE. This allows the entire population to have access to the same healthcare, to be treated by the same doctors and to not be discriminated because of an illness that they cannot control even though they may have been responsible for it, which like I said a slippery slope. Are you going to blame a coal miner because he was fully aware that after working 30 years in a mine he could get sick? Or a person working at a nuclear plant? Or a football player? Or a boxer? Or a race car driver? Or a cook? Or a policeman that might get shot? Or a fireman? Or whatever other job that may be detrimental to your health? Would you blame the firefighters that worked in 9/11 that because they chose that job they should live with the consequences for helping others in an attack they had no responsibility for? This is just bananas. This is disgusting.

    • Posted by Lester Brunt, at Reply

      If you have a really dangerous job you pay a higher premium on your life insurance. Is that now disgusting too?
      Insurance companies need to get the money from somewhere, it is not a magic trick where they can just poof money into existence. If people take out more money from insurance than they put in it can’t work.

  17. Posted by Amy no, at Reply

    Senator, people aren’t cars. Prick. I hope you get cancer.

    • Posted by Katherine, at Reply

      Amy no doesn’t matter if he does, he probably got an awesome insurance. It’s a small price to pay for having corporate hands stuck in his butthole all the time.

  18. Posted by kittyanya, at Reply

    Asthma runs in the family. Can’t be helped. Please stop charging me $70 for one life saving inhaler.

    • Posted by ezrasgrl, at Reply

      kittyanya Hear, hear! I second that!!

  19. Posted by Patricia MacLeod, at Reply

    Why are Americans the only people who have ever heard the phrase “pre-existing condition”? The concept doesn’t exist in other languages/cultures. Why? Because it’s voodoo talk, a bullshit excuse not to pay. Health care is for HEALTH. Period. Not WEALTH transfer to the already stinking rich. Plus, how do you factor in cancers from polluted water, air, coal dust, radiation resulting from criminal corporate negligence?

    • Posted by speedy, at Reply

      Dear Lester , you don’t seem to understand how CIVILIZED world works.
      The notion of inssurance has NOTHING to do with “pre existing condition”, so stop deflecting. We were talking about ppl who want to get inssured and can’t, or for whom inssurance company “discovered ” some pre-existing accneea as a teen to deny paying for treatment.

       If I get cancer, I get cured , and then what ? I can’t get inssured
      anymore ? and years later, if I get it again I should expect to be left to die ? how about kids ? who inssures them ? If parents are shitty , they should be punished for their parents ?

      Ah.. where would inssurance get the money from .. FROM THEIR PROFITS.
      “Pre-existing condition ” is just inssurance saying : “we are in for the money , not for the healthcare, we want to scam you, not to treat you when you really need it”
      And this does not exist in civilized country.

    • Posted by Lester Brunt, at Reply

      “1.There are diseses that requires time off – like tuberculoses , while you are not working, so how are you going to pay for inssurancence? After that you can’t be inssured.”

      How old are you exactly? How do you think this works with anything? So you get sick and can’t work and you get kicked out of your house, they let you die on the street? Have you ever been to the US? Does it look like that to you?

      How about you learn a thing or 2 about the system you are supposedly so outraged about.

    • Posted by speedy, at Reply

      Lester dear, I am old enought to have kids.
      Tuberculoses – 1 year off in my country, in a special hospital.After that you might not be able to work full time for a long time .

      No, I have never been to USA (how would me visiting your country would help understand you health system?!) and I DON”T PLAN TO. Your country seems awfull , evan as a tourrist, because you have a gun problem.

      All I know about your system is from media , and films MADE BY YOU. I understand it looks like “normality ” to you – you don’t have money , you die, or at least go bankrupt , but it isn’t normal.

      And I’m not “outrage” about your system. I really don’t care.
      I am just amaised how ppl like you can defent such a stupid, inhuman system because some dude with an inssurance company has to buy another rollex.. But again , you are still “debating” evolution , for crying out loud…

      p.s. not answering any question, today, are we ?
      Yeah..deflection, deflection, insults, outrage, some more deflection…but NO ANSWERS.